From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V8 #73 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Wednesday, October 16 2002 Volume 08 : Number 073 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. [scribes]: Protecting scrolls Re: [scribes]: Protecting scrolls Re: [scribes]: Protecting scrolls [scribes]: Re:Protecting scrolls [scribes]: Protecting scrolls Re: [scribes]: Protecting scrolls [scribes]: Protecting our work [scribes]: Protecting scrolls Re: [scribes]: Protecting our work Re: [scribes]: Protecting scrolls Re: [scribes]: Protecting our work [scribes]: vellum making Re: [scribes]: vellum making Re: [scribes]: vellum making ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:31:06 -0700 From: "Cathleen J. Winesburg-Balogh" Subject: [scribes]: Protecting scrolls This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C27507.840CFDE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The recent report from Graidhne on the progress of trying to save her = work after an accident started me thinking about what has been an = evolving process for me. Protecting our works as best we can.=20 I used to place a scroll into a film box with others, then I started = putting them in between two piece of cardboard for some large ones. The = first time I took scrolls to a camping event I realized immediately the = increased danger a scroll was in under those circumstances. How many = recipients would have some way to protect a scroll handed to them in = court, throughout the rest of the weekend and travel home in a car = packed to the gills?=20 Now I'm kind of obsessed. I made envelopes out of cover stock for some = 11x 17 charters I recently finished, and all my work gets a protective = sheet of tissue paper as well. Usually, when I have to ship a scroll, it = gets foam core folder with cut outs, or raised partitions for seals. = Then it goes into a flat box and gets many "handle with care, fragile = and do not bend or fold" stamps across both sides. I used to think my practices had evolved over the years based on = observations and change in abilities to buy the right materials. For = myself, I figured I needed to do what I could to ensure the safety of = the work I had poured so much love, time and energy into. I of course = must release that work once it's out of my hands. I have been trying to = ensure the safety of the scrolls for extended time after I let them go. = I used to rationalize that it was an off shoot concern related to using = archival quality materials. I find one thought process for me is, Where = will this work be in 50 years? 100? Well, my recent epiphany shows me = that it is the work of the control freak in me! (sneaky bugger, working = on a subconscious level like that) Not that that is a bad thing... I'm not at the point where I'm making cevlar folders for scrolls so I = don't think I need therapy. yet. So, now of course, I'm wondering what others do in this regard.=20 Cat - ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C27507.840CFDE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The recent report from Graidhne on the = progress of=20 trying to save her work after an accident started me thinking about what = has=20 been an evolving process for me. Protecting our works as best we can.=20
 
I used to place a scroll into a film = box with=20 others, then I started putting them in between two piece of cardboard = for some=20 large ones. The first time I took scrolls to a camping event I realized=20 immediately the increased danger a scroll was in under those = circumstances.=20 How many recipients would have some way to protect a scroll handed = to them=20 in court, throughout the rest of the weekend and travel home in a car = packed to=20 the gills?
 
Now I'm kind of obsessed. I made=20 envelopes  out of cover stock for some 11x 17 charters I recently = finished,=20 and all my work gets a protective sheet of tissue paper as well. = Usually, when I=20 have to ship a scroll, it gets foam core folder with cut outs, or raised = partitions for seals. Then it goes into a flat box and gets many "handle = with=20 care, fragile and do not bend or fold" stamps across both=20 sides.
 
I used to think my practices had = evolved over the=20 years based on observations and change in abilities to buy the right = materials.=20 For myself, I figured I needed to do what I could to ensure the safety = of the=20 work I had poured so much love, time and energy into. I of course must = release=20 that work once it's out of my hands. I have been trying to ensure = the=20 safety of the scrolls for extended time after I let them go. I used to=20 rationalize that it was an off shoot concern related to using archival = quality=20 materials. I find one thought process for me is, Where will this work = be in=20 50 years? 100? Well, my recent epiphany shows me that it is the work of = the=20 control freak in me! (sneaky bugger, working on a subconscious level = like that)=20 Not that that is a bad thing...
 
I'm not at the point where I'm making = cevlar=20 folders for scrolls so I don't think I need therapy. = yet.
 
So, now of course, I'm wondering what = others do in=20 this regard.
Cat
- ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C27507.840CFDE0-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:07:38 EDT From: BessdeNevell@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Protecting scrolls - --part1_a5.2eca06d2.2adf12fa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I keep my scroll blanks at home in a in a cardboard folder. It's two pieces from the back of a Bristol board pad that's been covered and bound with nice paper and linen tape. This folder gets slipped into a Tyvek envelope. The individual scrolls usually have a piece of tracing paper in between them. I transport and ship them in much the same manner. I know that it's not full proof (or period) but that outer tyvek envelope is an important first line of defense to me. You can pick up a handful for free at your local Post Office. I try not to worry about what will happen to the scrolls once they leave my hands. Last month though I did a knighting scroll on opaline vellum and I just wasn't secure with the lack of stability from either a presentation standpoint or a secure mode of transport. So I made the piece it's own folder out of two pieces of foam board covered with some nice paper and all held together with linen tape. I found transparent photo corners and slipped the scroll into them to hold it in place. Giving the piece it's own home also gave me the ability to print out a card regardiing the care and keeping of the scroll aling with my contact information and place it inside. Of course, during my own transport of the piece, it was slipped into a tyvek envelope. Cheers! ~Bess Madame Elizabeth de Nevell Maison de Nevell - http://vantassle.freetcp.com - --part1_a5.2eca06d2.2adf12fa_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit        I keep my scroll blanks at home in a in a cardboard folder.  It's two pieces from the back of a Bristol board pad that's been covered and bound with nice paper and linen tape.  This folder gets slipped into a Tyvek envelope.  The individual scrolls usually have a piece of tracing paper in between them. 

       I transport and ship them in much the same manner.  I know that it's not full proof (or period) but that outer tyvek envelope is an important first line of defense to me.  You can pick up a handful for free at your local Post Office.

       I try not to worry about what will happen to the scrolls once they leave my hands.  Last month though I did a knighting scroll on opaline vellum and I just wasn't secure with the lack of stability from either a presentation standpoint or a secure mode of transport.  So I made the piece it's own folder out of two pieces of foam board covered with some nice paper and all held together with linen tape.  I found transparent photo corners and slipped the scroll into them to hold it in place.  Giving the piece it's own home also gave me the ability to print out a card regardiing the care and keeping of the scroll aling with my contact information and place it inside.  Of course, during my own transport of the piece, it was slipped into a tyvek envelope.

Cheers!

~Bess

Madame Elizabeth de Nevell
Maison de Nevell - http://vantassle.freetcp.com - --part1_a5.2eca06d2.2adf12fa_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:13:20 -0400 From: LMacdonald@thielsch.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Protecting scrolls Go to www.MisterArt.com and look up DALER-ROWNEY Archival Art Bag. This is what I use. It is nice, cheep and works for me. Michel "Cathleen J. Winesburg-Balogh" To: "Scribal list" <> Subject: [scribes]: Protecting scrolls Sent by: owner-scribes@cas tle.org 10/16/2002 02:31 PM The recent report from Graidhne on the progress of trying to save her work after an accident started me thinking about what has been an evolving process for me. Protecting our works as best we can. I used to place a scroll into a film box with others, then I started putting them in between two piece of cardboard for some large ones. The first time I took scrolls to a camping event I realized immediately the increased danger a scroll was in under those circumstances. How many recipients would have some way to protect a scroll handed to them in court, throughout the rest of the weekend and travel home in a car packed to the gills? Now I'm kind of obsessed. I made envelopes out of cover stock for some 11x 17 charters I recently finished, and all my work gets a protective sheet of tissue paper as well. Usually, when I have to ship a scroll, it gets foam core folder with cut outs, or raised partitions for seals. Then it goes into a flat box and gets many "handle with care, fragile and do not bend or fold" stamps across both sides. I used to think my practices had evolved over the years based on observations and change in abilities to buy the right materials. For myself, I figured I needed to do what I could to ensure the safety of the work I had poured so much love, time and energy into. I of course must release that work once it's out of my hands. I have been trying to ensure the safety of the scrolls for extended time after I let them go. I used to rationalize that it was an off shoot concern related to using archival quality materials. I find one thought process for me is, Where will this work be in 50 years? 100? Well, my recent epiphany shows me that it is the work of the control freak in me! (sneaky bugger, working on a subconscious level like that) Not that that is a bad thing... I'm not at the point where I'm making cevlar folders for scrolls so I don't think I need therapy. yet. So, now of course, I'm wondering what others do in this regard. Cat =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:24:36 EDT From: RenScribe@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: Re:Protecting scrolls - --part1_1a7.a6168be.2adf16f4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Over the past 4-5 years various folks and groups in AEthelmearc have made and donated to the kingdom, scroll cases made out of cardboard and covered inside and out with fabric. The cases are tied at least at the top, but some are tied on all 3 open sides. There are well over 100 of these in circulation now. Most have a tag on the outside that reads - "Property of the kingdom of AEthelmearc - please return to nearest scribe for reuse." Sometimes scrolls get turned in at events in the cases and they are reused immediately. As Signet, I always carried a couple with me just in case they were needed. If it was a camping event or the weather report for the day called for rain or snow, I would also bring along a cheap package of garbage bags. The scrolls would go into a case and then inside a garbage bag. If all else failed ..... usually there was a scribe on site who was willing to safely transport a scroll back home for a recipient when there were no cases available. Yvianne AEthelmearc - --part1_1a7.a6168be.2adf16f4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Over the past 4-5 years various folks and groups in AEthelmearc have made and donated to the kingdom, scroll cases made out of cardboard and covered inside and out with fabric. The cases are tied at least at the top, but some are tied on all 3 open sides. There are well over 100 of these in circulation now. Most have a tag on the outside that reads - "Property of the kingdom of AEthelmearc - please return to nearest scribe for reuse."

Sometimes scrolls get turned in at events in the cases and they are reused immediately. As Signet, I always carried a couple with me just in case they were needed. If it was a camping event or the weather report for the day called for rain or snow, I would also bring along a cheap package of garbage bags. The scrolls would go into a case and then inside a garbage bag.

If all else failed ..... usually there was a scribe on site who was willing to safely transport a scroll back home for a recipient when there were no cases available.

Yvianne
AEthelmearc - --part1_1a7.a6168be.2adf16f4_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:35:14 -0500 From: "Pafra & Scott Catledge" Subject: [scribes]: Protecting scrolls I'd think a plastic garbage bag over the entire contents would be inexpensive and help for very short term needs. There are people, like myself, that have no overhang. So if an oversized items is left on the doorstep in cardboard and paper there's little protection from the rain or moisture. Lady Lucia Borromeo Incp. Shire Nord du Lac Principality Gleann Abhann, Kingdom Meridies- north of New Orleans in very damp, WET country - ----- Original Message ----- From: Cathleen J. Winesburg-Balogh To: The recent report from Graidhne on the progress of trying to save her work after an accident started me thinking about what has been an evolving process for me. Protecting our works as best we can. I used to place a scroll into a film box with others, then I started putting them in between two piece of cardboard for some large ones. The first time I took scrolls to a camping event I realized immediately the increased danger a scroll was in under those circumstances. How many recipients would have some way to protect a scroll handed to them in court, throughout the rest of the weekend and travel home in a car packed to the gills? Now I'm kind of obsessed. I made envelopes out of cover stock for some 11x 17 charters I recently finished, and all my work gets a protective sheet of tissue paper as well. Usually, when I have to ship a scroll, it gets foam core folder with cut outs, or raised partitions for seals. Then it goes into a flat box and gets many "handle with care, fragile and do not bend or fold" stamps across both sides. I used to think my practices had evolved over the years based on observations and change in abilities to buy the right materials. For myself, I figured I needed to do what I could to ensure the safety of the work I had poured so much love, time and energy into. I of course must release that work once it's out of my hands. I have been trying to ensure the safety of the scrolls for extended time after I let them go. I used to rationalize that it was an off shoot concern related to using archival quality materials. I find one thought process for me is, Where will this work be in 50 years? 100? Well, my recent epiphany shows me that it is the work of the control freak in me! (sneaky bugger, working on a subconscious level like that) Not that that is a bad thing... I'm not at the point where I'm making cevlar folders for scrolls so I don't think I need therapy. yet. So, now of course, I'm wondering what others do in this regard. Cat =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:38:19 EDT From: ArtsofPalm@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Protecting scrolls In a message dated 10/16/2002 3:18:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LMacdonald@thielsch.com writes: << Go to www.MisterArt.com and look up DALER-ROWNEY Archival Art Bag. This is what I use. It is nice, cheep and works for me >> THis looks very nice, indeed! Sort of like a heavy duty zip lock bag??? That should keep the humidity out. The price is very good, too. Thanks for the info. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:56:26 -0700 From: "Cathleen J. Winesburg-Balogh" Subject: [scribes]: Protecting our work This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C27524.33555CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable just an additional note; For my own use, I transport scrolls in a professional portfolio case = with pockets and zippers. I find that, like the archival bag, it is the = best protection I can provide for any scrolls (prior to seals) in my = care. I can even tape a little desiccant packet inside for the moister = climates of our area. It can actually go under bedding or musical = instruments in the car, can be stored in a tent in relative safety, and = is even easy to carry because of the handle when dragging chairs and = such to court. I really like the idea of covered cardboard "loaners" to get the scroll = home and then return to the Kingdom. I will have to see if I can get = some people to start a similar project. Cat - ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C27524.33555CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
just an additional note;
 
For my own use, I transport scrolls in = a=20 professional portfolio case with pockets and zippers. I find that, like = the=20 archival bag, it is the best protection I can provide for any scrolls = (prior to=20 seals) in my care. I can even tape a little desiccant packet inside = for the=20 moister climates of our area. It can actually go under bedding or = musical=20 instruments in the car, can be stored in a tent in relative safety, and = is even=20 easy to carry because of the handle when dragging chairs and such to=20 court.
 
I really like the idea of covered = cardboard=20 "loaners" to get the scroll home and then return to the Kingdom. I will = have to=20 see if I can get some people to start a similar project.
 
Cat
- ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C27524.33555CE0-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:56:46 -0500 From: "Pafra & Scott Catledge" Subject: [scribes]: Protecting scrolls This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C2753D.64EE7840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Check the SCA complete Anachronist=20 there is a pamhlet on how to make a leather scroll carrier. We're hoping to make them as an A&S class project. Lucia - ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C2753D.64EE7840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Check the SCA complete Anachronist
there is a pamhlet on how to make a leather = scroll=20 carrier.
We're hoping to make them as an A&S class=20 project.
Lucia
- ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C2753D.64EE7840-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:59:31 EDT From: KMcWhyte@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Protecting our work - --part1_16e.15a9a426.2adf4953_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One of the things I do when I can is buy those plastic "envelopes" sold at most stationery stores. Those go for about a dollar or so apiece, and will protect an 8" x 10" fine from the elements, but not from things like crushing, etc. If I'm in a real hurry, I might just get page protectors which are pretty inexpensive, again, for 8" x 10" scrolls. For the oversized ones, what few I've done in that size, I tend to lean toward oversized matte board, which can be used by the recipient if they so wish. I've also recently picked up nice-looking cheap frames from Target (again, 8" x 10"), for $2.00 apiece - something the heralds don't take (advised so at St. Elegius), but so far, have been very much appreciated by the recipients when given in-person. YIS, Kayleigh McWhyte, de la "I'm late for teaching my illumination class tonight...." An Dubhaigheainn, East E.Frank, Long Island NY - --part1_16e.15a9a426.2adf4953_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One of the things I do when I can is buy those  plastic "envelopes" sold at most stationery stores. Those go for about a dollar or so apiece, and will protect an 8" x 10" fine from the elements, but not from things like crushing, etc. If I'm in a real hurry, I might just get page protectors which are pretty inexpensive, again, for 8" x 10" scrolls.

For the oversized ones, what few I've done in that size, I tend to lean toward oversized matte board, which can be used by the recipient if they so wish. I've also recently picked up nice-looking cheap frames from Target (again, 8" x 10"), for $2.00 apiece - something the heralds don't take (advised so at St. Elegius), but so far, have been very much appreciated by the recipients when given in-person.

YIS,

Kayleigh McWhyte, de la "I'm late for teaching my illumination class tonight...."
An Dubhaigheainn, East
E.Frank, Long Island NY - --part1_16e.15a9a426.2adf4953_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:33:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Hillary Greenslade Subject: Re: [scribes]: Protecting scrolls - --- "Cathleen J. Winesburg-Balogh" wrote: > The recent report from Graidhne on the progress of trying to save her work > after an accident started me thinking about what has been an evolving > process for me. Protecting our works as best we can. > > So, now of course, I'm wondering what others do in this regard. I love the large film boxes as well, have several that held up well over the year. Use those at home for sorting and storing. If the weather is threatening, and the scroll is completely hand done (C&I), I generally will get a cheep frame to secure the scroll through reading and to the recipient to go home with, with a stern comment about putting the scroll in their vehicle as soon as possible after court. For going to wars, scribes in kingdom have started using the large underbed rubbermaid storage totes for scrolls, as well as everything else at war. Most are pretty much waterproof unless the water rises to 1 foot, and by that time, the box is in my hands, not on the ground. The Crown generally keeps their on-hand stash of scrolls in a plastic tote as well. For holding individual charter scrolls, after the scroll is read in court, they are slipped into large brown envelopes, so they are protected a bit. Our largest charters are 11x14, and envelopes are available a bit larger. It was considered a bit tacky at first to have the envelopes handed by the herald to the recipient, but most would rather keep the scroll clean, than to be concerned about 'appearances', so the kingdom has mostly gotten over that. The tyvek envelopes are nice, but cost more; white one's don't seem to stand up to the smudges as well as the hearty brown ones do. Cheers, Hillary/Ansteorra __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 21:35:57 -0400 From: "Missy Walters" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Protecting our work This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C2755C.0382A5D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have ammased a small collection of inexpensive picture frames. It = provdes saftey to get the scroll home with the recipient and an = attractive presentation of the scroll during court. I write on the back = that the frame is property of the Barony, and should be returned to the = closest available scribe. This has been somewhat successful, but we have = lost a few scrolls this way. Lady Brig ingen Erennaigh, CP MoAS, Nottinghill Coill ----- Original Message -----=20 From: KMcWhyte@aol.com=20 To: scribes@castle.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [scribes]: Protecting our work One of the things I do when I can is buy those plastic "envelopes" = sold at most stationery stores. Those go for about a dollar or so = apiece, and will protect an 8" x 10" fine from the elements, but not = from things like crushing, etc. If I'm in a real hurry, I might just get = page protectors which are pretty inexpensive, again, for 8" x 10" = scrolls.=20 For the oversized ones, what few I've done in that size, I tend to = lean toward oversized matte board, which can be used by the recipient if = they so wish. I've also recently picked up nice-looking cheap frames = from Target (again, 8" x 10"), for $2.00 apiece - something the heralds = don't take (advised so at St. Elegius), but so far, have been very much = appreciated by the recipients when given in-person.=20 YIS,=20 Kayleigh McWhyte, de la "I'm late for teaching my illumination class = tonight...."=20 An Dubhaigheainn, East=20 E.Frank, Long Island NY=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C2755C.0382A5D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have ammased a small collection of = inexpensive=20 picture frames. It provdes saftey to get the scroll home with the = recipient and=20 an attractive presentation of the scroll during court. I write on the = back that=20 the frame is property of the Barony, and should be returned to the = closest=20 available scribe. This has been somewhat successful, but we have lost a = few=20 scrolls this way.
 
Lady Brig ingen Erennaigh, CP
MoAS, = Nottinghill=20 Coill
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 KMcWhyte@aol.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, = 2002 6:59=20 PM
Subject: Re: [scribes]: = Protecting our=20 work

One of the things I do when I can is buy = those=20  plastic "envelopes" sold at most stationery stores. Those go for = about a=20 dollar or so apiece, and will protect an 8" x 10" fine from the = elements, but=20 not from things like crushing, etc. If I'm in a real hurry, I might = just get=20 page protectors which are pretty inexpensive, again, for 8" x 10" = scrolls.=20

For the oversized ones, what few I've done in that size, I = tend to=20 lean toward oversized matte board, which can be used by the recipient = if they=20 so wish. I've also recently picked up nice-looking cheap frames from = Target=20 (again, 8" x 10"), for $2.00 apiece - something the heralds don't take = (advised so at St. Elegius), but so far, have been very much = appreciated by=20 the recipients when given in-person.

YIS,

Kayleigh = McWhyte, de=20 la "I'm late for teaching my illumination class tonight...."
An=20 Dubhaigheainn, East
E.Frank, Long Island NY=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C2755C.0382A5D0-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:03:13 +1000 From: "Annette Wilson" Subject: [scribes]: vellum making Greetings, the recent discussion about making parchment and vellum leads me to ask whether the semilunar knives sold for chopping herbs would be suitable for the final scraping of the hide?? Has anyone tried this?? Leonie de Grey (Annette Wilson) =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 00:20:04 -0400 From: Randy Asplund Subject: Re: [scribes]: vellum making Leonie, The reason for the curved shape of the knife is that by sporting a big gradual curve there is more even pressure all around the edge. This leads to a more even scrape, but more importantly, there are no corners to dig into the skin and cause tears. Less of a curve will compromise the evenness and make you go through more strokes, but that is secondary to not gouging through with a corner of the blade (the tip). Incidentally, the actual edge of the blade ought to be burred over to one side for better scraping. RanthulfR Annette Wilson wrote: > > Greetings, > the recent discussion about making parchment and vellum leads me to ask > whether the semilunar knives sold for chopping herbs would be suitable > for the final scraping of the hide?? > Has anyone tried this?? > > Leonie de Grey > (Annette Wilson) > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. - -- VISIT RandyAsplund.com To see a Universe of art ranging from Magic: The Gathering to Star Trek and Medieval Manuscripts: Original Art & Prints for sale! Randy Asplund (734) 663-0954 Science Fiction and Fantasy Illustration 2101 S. Circle Dr., Ann Arbor, MI. 48103 =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 23:27:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Anna Troy Subject: Re: [scribes]: vellum making I don't know about those but I know that you can regrind those spatula window scrapers into good leather scrapers (for getting the fat and meat off in the first stage) Anna de Byxe, who took a course in tanning and got to try just about everything EXCEPT making parchment. - --- Annette Wilson wrote: > Greetings, > the recent discussion about making parchment and > vellum leads me to ask > whether the semilunar knives sold for chopping herbs > would be suitable > for the final scraping of the hide?? > Has anyone tried this?? > > Leonie de Grey > (Annette Wilson) > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any > additional text in > the body. > ===== "So many books, so little time." "Anna's Crafts Links Page" has MOVED to: http://www.angelfire.com/retro/crafts __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V8 #73 ****************************