From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V8 #69 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Sunday, October 13 2002 Volume 08 : Number 069 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. Re: [scribes]: Roll of arms link Ed IV [scribes]: Gold question RE: [scribes]: Gold Re: [scribes]: Gold question RE: [scribes]: Gold [scribes]: period recipe for walnut ink?? [scribes]: Gold, and leather Re: [scribes]: period recipe for walnut ink?? Re: [scribes]: period recipe for walnut ink?? Re: [scribes]: Roll of arms link Ed IV Re: [scribes]: Roll of arms link Ed IV Re: [scribes]: Roll of arms link Ed IV Fwd: [scribes]: Roll of arms link Ed IV - repost Re: [scribes]: Roll of arms link Ed IV ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:07:07 -0200 From: alienor Subject: Re: [scribes]: Roll of arms link Ed IV And was it ever MAGNIFICIENT in person. Can't tell you how many East Kingdom and AEthelmearc folk have, upon seeing it, said to me, "When I get to be a peer..." :-D Alienor =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:15:31 -0500 From: "Vicki Crouse" Subject: [scribes]: Gold question This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. - --=_D9854CF8.EB8AEC38 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Could some one tell me the best kind of 'liquid gold' or gold flake paint = to use? Some times I want to do just a bit of shine after the fact and = haven't found one I'm real happy with yet. Any suggestions on gold leafing = would be welcome too. I know most of my problems stem from being impatient.= Humbly Victoria La Russa Crescent Moon Calontir >>> Tue, Oct 08, 02 9:19:21 AM >>> My first batch of slaked plaster was made according to the period recipe. = When I was done, I was glad that I had slaked a whole 10 pound bag of = plaster of paris. I never wanted to have to make more. ;-) Well... for = most folks 10 pounds of slaked plaster would be a lifetime supply. I used = it up in about 3 years. Not wanting to repeat the period (long) process = ... I found a modern recipe for slaking plaster written by an author who = retranslated Cennini's recipe instead of relying on the translations of = others. Through his new perspective and with a bit of modern chemical = knowledge he developed new recipes for slaked plaster and gesso. Here is a page that describes how I slake plaster in under an hour using = Tresser's recipe http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/2963/plaster.html There is no one "right way" to make gesso. If you can't find an ingredient,= there is usually a substitution you can make. The amounts of ingredients = you need to make the gesso work perfectly will vary slightly depending on = weather conditions. I usually use a recipe that has been handed down through several generation= s of SCA scribes. It is based on a period recipe, but contains no lead and = is non-toxic. My gilding handout (including gesso recipe) is online at: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/2963/gilding.html If anyone doesn't have full web access and wants me to send the instruction= s via e-mail... just drop me a note. Enjoy Yvianne=20 - --=_D9854CF8.EB8AEC38 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: HTML
Could some one tell me the best kind of 'liquid gold' or gold flake = paint=20 to use? Some times I want to do just a bit of shine after the fact and = haven't=20 found one I'm real happy with yet. Any suggestions on gold leafing would = be=20 welcome too. I know most of my problems stem from being impatient.
 
Humbly
Victoria La Russa
Crescent Moon
Calontir

>>> <RenScribe@aol.com&= gt;=20 Tue, Oct 08, 02 9:19:21 AM >>>
My=20 first batch of slaked plaster was made according to the period recipe. = When I=20 was done, I was glad that I had slaked a whole 10 pound bag of plaster of = paris.=20 I never wanted to have to make more. ;-)   Well... for most = folks 10=20 pounds of slaked plaster would be a lifetime supply. I used it up in about = 3=20 years. Not wanting to repeat the period (long) process ... I found a = modern=20 recipe for slaking plaster written by an author who retranslated = Cennini's=20 recipe instead of relying on the translations of others. Through his = new=20 perspective and with a bit of modern chemical knowledge he developed new = recipes=20 for slaked plaster and gesso.

Here is a page that describes how I = slake=20 plaster in under an hour using Tresser's=20 recipe
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/2963/plaster.html

Th= ere=20 is no one "right way" to make gesso. If you can't find an ingredient, = there is=20 usually a substitution you can make. The amounts of ingredients you need = to make=20 the gesso work perfectly will vary slightly depending on weather=20 conditions.

I usually use a recipe that has been handed down = through=20 several generations of SCA scribes. It is based on a period recipe, but = contains=20 no lead and is non-toxic. My gilding handout (including gesso recipe) is = online=20 at:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/2963/gilding.html

If = anyone=20 doesn't have full web access and wants me to send the instructions via = e-mail...=20 just drop me a note.

Enjoy
Yvianne - --=_D9854CF8.EB8AEC38-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:53:22 -0700 From: "Ken Stoner" Subject: RE: [scribes]: Gold This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C27096.B080CFFF" - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C27096.B080CFFF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The best thing to use for gold paint is real gold. I recommend that everyone invest in a small dollop of shell gold and try it out. A .5g tablet usually costs only about $29 and will last for quite a while. I usually get between 2 scrolls (with LOTS of gold on them) to 20 scrolls (only using the gold for highlighting, etc.) out of one tablet. You can order this from www.easyleaf.com =20 =20 For gold leafing, I recommend that you buy "The Illuminated Alphabet" by Timothy Node and Patricia Seligman. This is an awesome book that contains some pretty decent instructions for gold leafing in addition to step-by-step instructions for doing illuminated letters in a bunch of different styles. =20 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0806990740/qid=3D1034277787= / sr=3D1-1/ref=3Dsr_1_1/002-3909729-1221613?v=3Dglance#product-details =20 Cystennin =20 - -----Original Message----- From: Vicki Crouse [mailto:vickc@ksde.org]=20 Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 7:13 AM To: < Subject: [scribes]: Gold =20 Could some one tell me the best kind of 'liquid gold' or gold flake paint to use? Some times I want to do just a bit of shine after the fact and haven't found one I'm real happy with yet. Any suggestions on gold leafing would be welcome too. =20 Humbly Victoria La Russa Crescent Moon - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C27096.B080CFFF Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

The best = thing to use=20 for gold paint is real gold. I recommend that everyone invest in a small = dollop=20 of shell gold and try it out. A .5g tablet usually costs only about $29 = and will=20 last for quite a while. I usually get between 2 scrolls (with LOTS of = gold on=20 them) to 20 scrolls (only using the gold for highlighting, etc.) out of = one=20 tablet. You can order this from www.easyleaf.com

 

For gold = leafing, I=20 recommend that you buy “The Illuminated Alphabet” by Timothy = Node and Patricia=20 Seligman. This is an awesome book that contains some pretty decent = instructions=20 for gold leafing in addition to step-by-step instructions for doing = illuminated=20 letters in a bunch of different styles.

 

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0806990740/qid=3D1034= 277787/sr=3D1-1/ref=3Dsr_1_1/002-3909729-1221613?v=3Dglance#product-detai= ls

 

Cystennin

 

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: = Vicki Crouse=20 [mailto:vickc@ksde.org]
Sent:=20 Thursday, October 10, 2002 7:13 AM
To: <
Subject: [scribes]: = Gold

 

Could some one tell me the = best kind=20 of 'liquid gold' or gold flake paint to use? Some times I want to do = just a bit=20 of shine after the fact and haven't found one I'm real happy with yet. = Any=20 suggestions on gold leafing would be welcome = too.

 

Humbly

Victoria La=20 Russa

Crescent=20 Moon

- ------_=_NextPart_001_01C27096.B080CFFF-- - --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 22:14:38 +0200 From: merlyn@virulent.de Subject: Re: [scribes]: Gold question heyas this is also pretty cool site http://www.noris-blattgold.de/English/homeE_fset.htm you can order a catalogue ( I am trying that now) and they seem to be pretty neat but there are no prices on their site. cheers Bridget - --- "Trust in God, but tie up your camel." --Indian proverb =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:28:46 -0700 From: "Ken Stoner" Subject: RE: [scribes]: Gold This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2709B.A23C0A55" - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2709B.A23C0A55 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry, in re-reading my post, I just realized that some people might not understand what "shell gold" is. =20 Shell gold is powdered gold with a little bit of binder added, such as gum arabic. Which is another way of saying "It's gold paint made with real gold". =20 It is called "Shell Gold" because it used to be sold in mussel shells. =20 The *really cool* thing about using shell gold is that it is 100% "period". It can be found in art from 500 BC to modern day. There are accounts of how to use this material in manuscript illumination from the 10th century on. Probably earlier, though I can't think of a source off hand. Finally, because it is THE EXACT SAME as the material that was actually used, it tends to look better than a substitute. =20 Also, before I forget: The medievals also had "fake gold paint" througout much of the period. There were a number of recipes for it. Some were simply powdered brass or powdered silver with a little bit of saffron color glazed over the top. Others, such as "Aurum Musicum" were made by complex (and dangerous) alchemical means. The stuff that I like the best that looks closest to "aurum musicum" or powdered brass is simply Winsor Newton Gold (the stuff in the jar, not the "flake" stuff in the tube). =20 Another great alternative is to use SUMI Gold. This is gold paint that is used in Japanese Sumi painting. It usually comes in a nifty little porceline dish also. It is cheap, usually between 5-10$ US and comes in a couple of different colors, such as "Rich Gold", "Lemon Gold", "Green Gold" , etc. =20 Cystennin - -----Original Message----- From: Ken Stoner [mailto:kenstone@microsoft.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 12:53 PM To: Vicki Crouse; scribes@castle.org Subject: RE: [scribes]: Gold The best thing to use for gold paint is real gold. I recommend that everyone invest in a small dollop of shell gold and try it out. A .5g tablet usually costs only about $29 and will last for quite a while. I usually get between 2 scrolls (with LOTS of gold on them) to 20 scrolls (only using the gold for highlighting, etc.) out of one tablet. You can order this from www.easyleaf.com =20 =20 For gold leafing, I recommend that you buy "The Illuminated Alphabet" by Timothy Node and Patricia Seligman. This is an awesome book that contains some pretty decent instructions for gold leafing in addition to step-by-step instructions for doing illuminated letters in a bunch of different styles. =20 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0806990740/qid=3D1034277787= / sr=3D1-1/ref=3Dsr_1_1/002-3909729-1221613?v=3Dglance#product-details =20 Cystennin =20 - -----Original Message----- From: Vicki Crouse [mailto:vickc@ksde.org]=20 Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 7:13 AM To: < Subject: [scribes]: Gold =20 Could some one tell me the best kind of 'liquid gold' or gold flake paint to use? Some times I want to do just a bit of shine after the fact and haven't found one I'm real happy with yet. Any suggestions on gold leafing would be welcome too. =20 Humbly Victoria La Russa Crescent Moon - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2709B.A23C0A55 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Sorry,=20 in re-reading my post, I just realized that some people might not = understand=20 what "shell gold" is.
 
Shell=20 gold is powdered gold with a little bit of binder added, such as gum = arabic.=20 Which is another way of saying "It's gold paint made with real=20 gold".
 
It is=20 called "Shell Gold" because it used to be sold in mussel=20 shells.
 
The=20 *really cool* thing about using shell gold is that it is 100% "period". = It can=20 be found in art from 500 BC to modern day. There are accounts of how to = use this=20 material in manuscript illumination from the 10th century on. Probably = earlier,=20 though I can't think of a source off hand. Finally, because it is THE = EXACT SAME=20 as the material that was actually used, it tends to look better than a=20 substitute.
 
Also,=20 before I forget: The medievals also had "fake gold paint" througout much = of the=20 period. There were a number of recipes for it. Some were simply powdered = brass=20 or powdered silver with a little bit of saffron color glazed over the = top.=20 Others, such as "Aurum Musicum" were made by complex (and dangerous) = alchemical=20 means. The stuff that I like the best that looks closest to "aurum = musicum" or=20 powdered brass is simply Winsor Newton Gold (the stuff in the jar, not = the=20 "flake" stuff in the tube).
 
Another great alternative is to use SUMI Gold. This is gold = paint that is=20 used in Japanese Sumi painting. It usually comes in a nifty little = porceline=20 dish also. It is cheap, usually between 5-10$ US and comes in a couple = of=20 different colors, such as "Rich Gold", "Lemon Gold", "Green Gold" ,=20 etc.
 
Cystennin
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken = Stoner=20 [mailto:kenstone@microsoft.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 10, = 2002=20 12:53 PM
To: Vicki Crouse; = scribes@castle.org
Subject: RE:=20 [scribes]: Gold

The best = thing to use=20 for gold paint is real gold. I recommend that everyone invest in a = small=20 dollop of shell gold and try it out. A .5g tablet usually costs only = about $29=20 and will last for quite a while. I usually get between 2 scrolls (with = LOTS of=20 gold on them) to 20 scrolls (only using the gold for highlighting, = etc.) out=20 of one tablet. You can order this from www.easyleaf.com

 

For gold = leafing, I=20 recommend that you buy “The Illuminated Alphabet” by = Timothy Node and Patricia=20 Seligman. This is an awesome book that contains some pretty decent=20 instructions for gold leafing in addition to step-by-step instructions = for=20 doing illuminated letters in a bunch of different = styles.

 

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0806990740/qid=3D1034= 277787/sr=3D1-1/ref=3Dsr_1_1/002-3909729-1221613?v=3Dglance#product-detai= ls

 

Cystennin

 

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: = Vicki=20 Crouse [mailto:vickc@ksde.org]
Sent: Thursday, October 10, = 2002 7:13=20 AM
To: = <
Subject: [scribes]:=20 Gold

 

Could some one tell me = the best=20 kind of 'liquid gold' or gold flake paint to use? Some times I want to = do just=20 a bit of shine after the fact and haven't found one I'm real happy = with yet.=20 Any suggestions on gold leafing would be welcome = too.

 

Humbly

Victoria La=20 Russa

Crescent=20 Moon

- ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2709B.A23C0A55-- - --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:43:41 +1000 From: "Annette Wilson" Subject: [scribes]: period recipe for walnut ink?? Greetings, I have found a walnut tree and want to try making walnut ink in the right season, but first I have a few questions. Was walnut ink made in Europe before 1600? Are there any surviving recipes? Is there any difference between the inks made with European versus American walnuts? Thanks Leonie de Grey (Annette Wilson) =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 00:52:40 +0000 From: "Costanca Daguiar" Subject: [scribes]: Gold, and leather Anyone have any idea what you might use to bind the powdered brass to make shell gold? Could you do the same thing with aluminium dust for silver? *grin* That could be cool... On another note, anyone know what would you have to do to leather to do a "scroll" on it, and if that's period? I'm thinking very early side of period, and trying to come up with something nifty to do. Thanks! ~ Costanca Black Diamond, Atlantia _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:28:14 -0500 (CDT) From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" Subject: Re: [scribes]: period recipe for walnut ink?? It must be because it's fall, and the walnuts are falling--my various natural dye lists have also been discussing black walnuts. I love having multiple interests. :-) AFAIK, black walnuts (Juglans niger), which are what most people in the US mean when they say they have a walnut tree in their back-yard, are not native to Europe. Regular walnuts (Juglans regia) are, but I don't know if they're useful as a dye plant or not. The Innsbruck dye MS talks about getting a brown dye with green nutshells, that you let sit in water for three weeks to rot. With black walnuts you don't have to let them rot for three weeks, they'll dye stuff right off the tree. So I suspect that the nutshells they are talking about are not Juglans niger. Besides, with the high tannin content and ease of use, if the black walnut were native to Europe there'd be some mention of it somewhere, and there aren't any at all that I know of in our period. Black walnuts are one of the darlings of natural dyers, because they are practically a no-brainer for dyeing, you can usually get them free, and they're incredibly reliable result-wise. Margaret FitzWilliam On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, Annette Wilson wrote: > Greetings, > I have found a walnut tree and want to try making walnut ink in the > right season, but first I have a few questions. > Was walnut ink made in Europe before 1600? Are there any surviving > recipes? Is there any difference between the inks made with European > versus American walnuts? > > Thanks > > Leonie de Grey > (Annette Wilson) =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:42:32 -0500 From: "Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil" Subject: Re: [scribes]: period recipe for walnut ink?? At 10:28 AM 10/11/2002 -0500, you wrote: >AFAIK, black walnuts (Juglans niger), which are what most people in the US >mean when they say they have a walnut tree in their back-yard, are not >native to Europe. Regular walnuts (Juglans regia) are, but I don't know if >they're useful as a dye plant or not. Black Walnuts (Juglans niger) and English Walnuts (Juglans regia) are both usable for dyes and inks. The first is native to North America, the second, to Europe. The second is the nut which is being referred to in period documents/recipes/ etc. , when they (the documents) discuss walnuts. Smiles, Despina =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:20:34 -0400 From: Luiseach@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Roll of arms link Ed IV Oh, please someone get me a towel to wipe the drool off the keyboard. This is a fantastic link. BTW, if you go to the banners and scroll down, you get a link to the official British monarchy website and their histories. Luighseach stuck at work while other folks are at war =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:15:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Mahee Subject: Re: [scribes]: Roll of arms link Ed IV My solution was to download the site to a CD. Kind of fun. your servant, mahee - --- Luiseach@aol.com wrote: > Oh, please someone get me a towel to wipe the drool off the keyboard. > This is a fantastic link. BTW, if you go to the banners and scroll > down, you get a link to the official British monarchy website and > their histories. > > Luighseach > stuck at work while other folks are at war > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 3:43:59 -0400 From: moonlight_dancer@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [scribes]: Roll of arms link Ed IV > [Original Message] > From: > To: ; > Date: 10/11/02 12:20:34 PM > Subject: Re: [scribes]: Roll of arms link Ed IV > > Oh, please someone get me a towel to wipe the drool off the keyboard. This is a fantastic link. BTW, if you go to the banners and scroll down, you get a link to the official British monarchy website and their histories. > > Luighseach Could someone post the URL again? Tamara =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 11:53:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Hillary Greenslade Subject: Fwd: [scribes]: Roll of arms link Ed IV - repost Someone asked for a repost of the URL for the Roll of Arms... here it is: Hillary/Ansteorra - --- Randy Asplund wrote: > Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:06:19 -0400 > From: Randy Asplund > To: Scribes > Subject: [scribes]: Roll of arms link Ed IV > > Hi gang, > This is one of those days when I really wish I had DSL!!! Here is a > manuscript Roll of Arms of the genealogy of Edward IV. > I am not responsible for any suicides that may come from viewing the link. > > http://libwww.library.phila.gov/medieval/lewis_e201/index.html > > RanthulfR (Who's walnut ink DID mold!) > -- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 07:55:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Mahee Subject: Re: [scribes]: Roll of arms link Ed IV If you are using Internet explorer, go to favorites and add it to your favorites, so that it can be viewed off line. Find where it stored it and make a copy to your CD burner. If using Netscape, then go to file, edit page and save. That will save the code to that page, but not the pictures. Close the edit window and save each picture independantly. Or there are programs that will save entire sites for you. your servant, mahee - --- Hillary Greenslade wrote: > > --- Mahee wrote: > > My solution was to download the site to a CD. Kind of fun. > > your servant, > > mahee > > Ok, how'd you do that? I have to go back to the site and see if > there is > an auto download button, else you have to give me the instructions. > Or I'll > pay you for a CD copy, as I don't currently have a burner. > Hillary > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More > http://faith.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V8 #69 ****************************