From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V1 #67 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Wednesday, February 18 1998 Volume 01 : Number 067 In this issue: Re: [scribes]: How (and when) to critique? [scribes]: Guache colors for Insular Illumination [scribes]: Sketch Books (was Critique) [scribes]: Critique - Thanks Re: [scribes]: Scribal Signatures -Reply Re: [scribes]: Re: Re: How to critique Re: [scribes]: Re: Mistakes [scribes]: Baguettes? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:33:34 -0600 From: Cornelius Perkins Subject: Re: [scribes]: How (and when) to critique? Linda Pancrazio wrote: > How do you give critique? Gently, and sandwiched with positive statements before and after. > How do you know when it's needed or desired? When it's requested (or called for by job description). > (Or when to keep your mouth shut! ) Every other time. No joke. Unless people specifically ask forcritique, it's best to find something to praise (e.g., good use of whitespace), and keep the improvement suggestions private, again, unless it's your job. > Someone said something on this list about teaching a scribe to be objective > about their own work - how do you do that? That's harder. It's essential, though, in scribery and in engineering. The firstthing to do is to teach the person that everyone needs to be objective. Then show them - model the behavior by letting them see you (or some other good scribe) being critiqued. Cheers, - -- // Cornelius Perkins cperkins@nothinbut.net // http://www.nothinbut.net/~cperkins // In girum imus nocte et consumimur igni ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:46:12 -0800 From: "Tammy L. Williams (Tamlyn of Wintersea)" Subject: [scribes]: Guache colors for Insular Illumination Greetings to those Gentles on the Scribe's list, I am looking for a "basic" paint set for the illumination that accompanies Uncial calligraphy using Windsor and Newton Guache color charts as the base (sort of like DMC embroidery floss color charts as the common color language for the needle arts). I'm looking at 6-8 colors with black and white not included in that number though the preference for those noted as well if you have one. Looking forward to the answers, HL Tamlyn of Wyntersea mka Tammy Williams tamlyn@gte.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ per pale azure and sable, a wyvern erect contourny and in chief five lozenges argent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:48:03 -0500 From: Linda Pancrazio Subject: [scribes]: Sketch Books (was Critique) At 12:46 PM 2/17/98 EST, JimBear wrote: >> I am also a firm believer in sketchbook work where you take elements of= the >>scroll you are working on and work them out in your sketchbook, then put= the >>brush to them there to work out technique, colour etc. I find this works well >>with my students as it gives the immediate gratification that they need= that >>would otherwise cause them to jump in with both feet only to find that= they >>have landed in not so nice stuff. > Cool. I've never used a sketch book, I think I'll get one. My sketches are everywhere. I start a lot of layouts on AutoCAD because it's so easy to change stuff around. But then a sketch book would be wonderful to work on technique and keep everything together. I hear you about jumping in with both feet - I started a Visconti style scroll for a friend of mine and quickly found myself in way over my head. I wound up making some compromises that didn't work out real well :( . Genevieve *****************************((****************************************** Linda Pancrazio )) SCA: Lady Genevi=E8ve d'Evreux >>>-------> Selma NC, USA (( -- Elvegast, Windmasters' Hill, Atlantia = =20 lindap@ipass.net )) Azure, on a bend wavy argent between two http://www.ipass.net/~lindap (( butterflies Or three roses purpure. }{ ******************************))****************************************** Windmasters' Hill Scriptorium: http://www.ipass.net/~lindap/whscript.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:37:10 -0500 From: Linda Pancrazio Subject: [scribes]: Critique - Thanks Thank you to everyone who sent such good advice. I'm overwhelmed by the response and I'm sorry I can't answer all of it personally. I'm going to try very hard to use the techniques you've shared, and especially to teach objectivity by example. Genevieve *****************************((****************************************** Linda Pancrazio )) SCA: Lady Genevi=E8ve d'Evreux >>>-------> Selma NC, USA (( -- Elvegast, Windmasters' Hill, Atlantia = =20 lindap@ipass.net )) Azure, on a bend wavy argent between two http://www.ipass.net/~lindap (( butterflies Or three roses purpure. }{ ******************************))****************************************** Windmasters' Hill Scriptorium: http://www.ipass.net/~lindap/whscript.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 00:04:49 -0500 From: Kathi Coutinho Subject: Re: [scribes]: Scribal Signatures -Reply Michel Macdonald wrote: > I too am most please with the caliber of responses to this question. The > Latin being one of my personal favs for the front of my scrolls. I would > tell you that on the back of my scrolls I put: > I definately agree. I feel the latin phrases lend a more period feel to it, and they're just plain fun. I like the extent of the information you include for your scrolls. I remember seeing one scribe here in the Middle Kingdom had a special rubber stamp created, about 3x4 inches, with the information that wouldn't change (like her name and address) and blanks for the other info, and stamped it on the back of each of the scrolls she did. I thought it was a marvelous idea for someone who did alot of scrolls. As far as signing the front, the Constellation Region has been starting to register maker's marks for any interested scribes, and some of them are delightful. They're usually tiny, just a few brush- or pen-strokes, inobtrusive, and worked into the design somewhere. Sorcha O'Branigan's mark is a sheep, and she even used it once to cover a mistake in the scroll text--it worked perfectly. - --Lucia Elena Constellation, Middle Kingdom ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 00:40:22 EST From: FITCHYBEAR@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Re: Re: How to critique In a message dated 98-02-17 14:00:34 EST, heather@pop.net writes: << I keep a folder of various elements I've traced to use over again on other scrolls. Miri >> Wow! You can keep all yours in a folder??? my wife gave me a drawer in the file cabinet........JimBear ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 00:40:17 EST From: FITCHYBEAR@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Re: Mistakes In a message dated 98-02-17 13:15:09 EST, ab873@jepms4.jep.cummins.com writes: << I hate to say it, but yes, resign yourself to solitude. I have to have complete quiet and no interuptions and I *still* have to check almost every letter and word. >> This may sound wierd but I have to have the T.V. on when I paint. What I have found best for me though is to put in my tape of The Seven Samurai though I get the white noise of human speech, I can't understand the language even that demi-god Toshiro....JimBear ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 00:59:01 EST From: Aengus1@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: Baguettes? In a message dated 2/17/98 7:02:51 PM, Eibhlin wrote: >Gothic bars and vines without the ivy leaves I just came across a book that names the bars in Gothic style illumination as 'Baguettes'. Has anyone else heard this term before? My source is "The Medieval Book" by Barbara A. Shailor. Pg. 46 Aengus MacBain Aethelmearc (Butler PA ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V1 #67 ****************************