From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V1 #40 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Friday, February 6 1998 Volume 01 : Number 040 In this issue: Re: [scribes]: wide gold border backgrounds Re: [scribes]: What to do . . . ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 05 Feb 98 17:27:00 -0800 From: Leslie.Schweitzer@hubert.rain.com (Leslie Schweitzer) Subject: Re: [scribes]: wide gold border backgrounds ce> Lady Enid nicEoin of Ponte Alto said borders ce> with the solid gold backgrounds, and I have been experimenting with ce> techniques to ge the gold to look righ> [...] ce> I have noticed on some of these gold backgrounds, when 'realistic' ce> looking ce> flowers are painted 'in front of' the gold background, the ce> illuminator often ce> puts a reddish looking shadow behind the flower. I have not had a ce> chance to ce> look at any real manuscript pages to determine how this shadow effect ce> is ce> achieved. Are they painting on top of the gold, or is some of the ce> gold ce> scraped away to leave the reddish bole or gesso showing through? I've seen some of these ms at the Getty Museum. I don't remember any looking like gold leaf that had been painted over. I do remember some that distinctly looked like some sort of an ochre-ish paint with little dots of gold leaf in the 'bright' parts and painted shadows in the 'dark' parts. This seemed a fairly common technique in those ms. I have never tried it. I think the reddish stuff under the gold is too red to get the color of brown that one sees in the pictures of the ms. Before I saw any of the real examples from the Getty, I used Windsor-Newton gold gouache and did the shadows by mixing in burnt sienna. Looked pretty good. Since then I have not quite managed to do this style of scroll. Zenobia Naphtali/Leslie Schweitzer Dragon's Mist / Tualatin OR - --- QuickBBS 2.849 GoldBase ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 02:08:36 EST From: PTS21@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: What to do . . . In a message dated 98-01-29 02:57:39 EST, KenStoner@worldnet.att.net writes: << ... "Promisory V. Completed Scoll" ... "Is it possible that the Kingdoms where Promisorys are given out are the same Kingdoms where there is an extremely large population base and/or a large number of events? >> I really think it's a matter of the number of active scribes available, and, to a lesser extent, how much time before the event the crown gets the list to the scribes! On the other hand, I was once told by a Western Viscount that the reason we have so many good scribes is due to our weather We don't have anything else to do during the winter , so we spend our time doing scrolls!! I feel like Nanook of the North!! "well--you guys couldn't have as many events as we do here in California, and we have lots of fight practices--I mean, there really isn't as much to do in the SCA out there in Buffalo, is there?"--In reality, my Lord does 3+ fighting practices a week and we could go to an event every weekend, not to mention the numerous times we have to make a choice about which event to go to. And that's on top of working a modern job or two It's really amazing what people think of the SCA in areas other than their own!! I've also noticed that different kingdoms seem to specialize in different arts--we do scribal stuff, the West does armoring like nobody else, Australia is known for its dance, and Alaska has large numbers of REALLY REALLY good bards I think it's a matter of "them what has, gits" If all the artists around you teach dance, you're much more likely to do dance than , say, spinning and weaving You do what's available It's the same reason that certain areas seem to breed more of certain personas--if everyone around you is a viking, you're more likely to be a viking You go with the sources you have readally available And knowledgable people are sources! ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V1 #40 ****************************