From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V1 #3 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Saturday, January 24 1998 Volume 01 : Number 003 In this issue: Re: [scribes]: inexpensive gold/silver substitute Re: [scribes]: Title of lost book Re: [scribes]: Title of lost book [scribes]: ADMINISTRATRIVIA: anti-spam measures being taken at castle.org [scribes]: re: Caid Scribes handbook Re: Re: [scribes]: Art on Here Re: [scribes]: Some books I found.... Re: [scribes]: Title of lost book Re: [scribes]: Title of lost book ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 08:59:44 EST From: Ariannawyn Subject: Re: [scribes]: inexpensive gold/silver substitute In a message dated 98-01-23 20:38:30 EST, Arrienna writes: << Amethyst? Wow that's something I never thought of . Did you find it in one of the little "science" stores? How well does it work. I would love to know. >> Yeah, I got it at a science store, and it works fine. Amethyst is just a purple quartzite, and though we think of it as a precious gem, the tumble polished ones have too many impurities to be jewelry, so they're just as cheap as the others. The important thing to me was not the type of quartz, but the shape and feel of it in my hand. Arianna of Wynthrope ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 08:22:24 PST From: "Elyse Boucher" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Title of lost book Neil/Jost, Perhaps you are looking for _Penmanship of the XVI, XVII, XVIII Centuries_, by Lewis Day, published by Taplinger. :) A few pages of intoductory text and then about 100 plates of calligraphy. :) And it's color is a pale, flesh-like tone. ;) At least, my copy is. :) Hope this helpful to you. :) Your servant, M/E ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 11:34:41 -0600 From: Dennis and/or Dory Grace Subject: Re: [scribes]: Title of lost book At 03:54 AM 1/24/98 -0600, Cornelius Perkins wrote: >Greetings. > >I'm trying to locate a replacement copy of a book which I had but which >disappeared (sigh). >I think the title included the words "writing masters". It certainly was >a survey of writing masters and their published works over the 16th >and 17th centuries. > >I was in the process a year ago of learning a hand from it, first >published in the first book ever published by an English writing >master (1572). Here's some excerpts from "The Art of Calligraphy--Western Europe and America" by Joyce Irene Whalley: "The first of the writing manuals, and one that has remained of importance, was 'La Operina,' by Ludovico degli Arrighi, called Vicentino, which was published in 1522." " 'A book containing diverso sortes of hands,' by John de Beauchesne, a Huguenot refugee, and John Baildon, was published in 1570." " The second important writing book to be produced in Italy was that of Giovanni Antonio Tagliente, who taught handwriting in the Venetian chancery. " "The third of the great Italian writing masters was Giovanni Battista Palatino who included a great variety of hands in his manuals, the first of which was 'Libro nuovo d'imparare a scrivere' issued in 1540." "Francesco Creci in his book 'Essemplari di piu sorti lettere,' 1560, for example,..." Hope some of those names ring a bell. Aquilanne Dory Grace--The Inkwell denouncer of Tytyvylus & warrior crone amazing@mail.utexas.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 10:07:18 -0800 From: Lee Damon Subject: [scribes]: ADMINISTRATRIVIA: anti-spam measures being taken at castle.org Looks like we've been found. I've just implemented some of the more common anti-spam measures on the firewall. Hopefully this will cut down on the spam without stopping valid email from getting through. If you find that you just can't get email to go to an address at castle.org, please send a *complete* copy of the bounce message (including all headers) to me at nomad@qualcomm.com so I can take a look at it. thanks nomad postmaster@castle.org - ------------ - Lee "nomad" Damon - \ play: nomad@castle.org or castle!nomad \ work: nomad@qualcomm.com \ http://people.qualcomm.com/nomad/ /\ Seneschal, Castle PAUS. / \ "Celebrate Diversity" / \ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 98 10:30:01 PDT From: Holly_Sullivan@elric.maximumaccess.com (Holly Sullivan) Subject: [scribes]: re: Caid Scribes handbook Would anyone happen to know if the above is available online? I'd be willing to put it online, if I could find a copy to transcribe. HTML spoken here. :-) I would like to see ones from all the different Kingdoms available somewhere for reference.. I think there's value in learning how other Kingdoms do things. Might be just the thing for a spark of inspiration sometime. :-) And to everyone who has been posting helpful tips on all sorts of scribal things, THANK YOU! I suppose I should take the opportunity to introduce myself.. mundanely, I'm Holly Sullivan, age 35, married, 3 kids, 4 cats, tall, Goddess sized, with a warped sense of humor. My SCA name as it's registered will be changing sometime, whenever I get around to it. I've been in the Society since 1981, after having been kidnapped to go to my first event. (It was great fun too. :-) Until 1995, I was a resident of the Barony of Darkwater in Trimaris; I presently live in Calafia, Caid. I haven't done much playing since I moved out here :-( due to not having a car and the buses running at inconvenient times for going to Baronial meetings. (Anyone anywhere in SoCal got an old beat up looking car that they want to sell really cheap? :-) I'm a wannabe-scribe, I suppose; I'd taken a few beginning scribe's classes while in Orlando. Always liked calligraphy, even before getting into the Society. Seeing this list mentioned on the Rialto inspired me to subscribe; I'd like to take up my pen again. I'm very much out of practice. Uncial varieties seem to be the hands I do best. And ya'll are as dangerous to my wallet as my online quilt buddies; went out yesterday and got some Bristol board and Higgins Eternal black ink to practice on. We didn't use Bristol board in Trimaris for scrolls AFAIK; should be a learning experience. I'm going to have to get a Pearl catalog, since there's not a Pearl store here; both Michael's and Aaron Brothers are useless for decent art supplies. (I imagine most of ya'll knew that. :-) I did save the contact info someone posted previously for other suppliers and will be getting their catalogs as well. Thanks again for all the great tips. I for one appreciate all the help. :-) Back to lurking.. - -- Via DLG2000 v1.2.4 :)---Holly---<--<-@ * Barony of Calafia, CAID * San Diego, CA * (grin) TechnoMages Guild BBS 619 549-0278 http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/4201 Quarterly barry wavy, argent and sable, and gules, a mermaid displayed proper between in bend sinister two compass-stars sable, fimbriated argent. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:20:14 EST From: EowynA Subject: Re: Re: [scribes]: Art on Here In a message dated 1/23/98 8:25:10 PM, merouda@hotmail.com wrote: >. Perhaps what > we need is to start out with coordination of what is > already on line among us. What articles are at what > sites? The first thing we need, I think, is a site > that says what articles are where! :) I agree wholeheartedly. I bookmark the Labrynth because it is the key to so many good sites online. An SCA-slanted scribal advice web-page would be invaluable. One of the things you mentioned, though, is an SCA-specific source that is not on-line, the Middle Kingdom Scribes Handbook. I think it would be a tremendous help to include the SCA-specific sources for many articles, too, particularly for those sources that are (relatively) easily accessible across the Known World. By this I mean listing the Compleat Anachronist booklets on scribal subjects (these are easily available from the Stock Clerk) , and the Scribal Proceedings volumes from the various Heraldic Symposia (These are available from Free Trumpet West). Other possibilities are scribal articles from Tournaments Illuminated (though there is an index of that available, perhaps the easiest is to refer the reader to that index -- don't think it is on-line, though) And possibly the kingdom Scribes' Handbooks, though that tends to be more difficult for out-kingdom folk to get. The kingdom Arts and Sciences magazines are probably too local in publishing scope to be worth trying to index, but I've seen some gems of scholarship there. Alas, I cannot offer to help ... it took until today to work off the e-mail from last week, when I was gone 4 days, and I have a 5-day business trip next week that will likely make it impossible to keep up with these fascinating threads until long after comments are made. I. too, have been wondering if we are ready for a FAQ site -- lots and lots of great information and different viewpoints have been expressed that should not be denied to the latecomers (and topics which are unlikely to be rehashed in as much depth later). Cheers! Eowyn ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:25:04 EST From: EowynA Subject: Re: [scribes]: Some books I found.... In a message dated 1/23/98 8:47:36 PM, merouda@hotmail.com wrote: > >So, has anyone used the Sloss books? I admit, I am wedded to the dots method, but his analysiss is nothing, if not thourough. He has a CD that goes with it (available by mailorder -- see the back of the book). I just got my CD Rom player working again, so I haven't had a chance to play with it -- the knots are "letters" of the alphabet, so you can create knots by typing them. Useful for on-line knotwork, and printing it out for stationery, etc., but not really practicle for scrolls. On the other hand, it is a very visual, pattern-matching kind of approach, and it speaks to some people more than the dots method. Not me, though. Eowyn Amberdrake, Caid ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:44:43 -0600 From: Cornelius Perkins Subject: Re: [scribes]: Title of lost book Dennis and/or Dory Grace wrote: > Hope some of those names ring a bell. Thanks, Dory, but no. The guy who I was learning from (well, he's been dead for several centuries, but I still liked him) was English. The book has some title which should suggest that it's a survey of writing masters, has hands from many of them, describes the influence they exerted on each other, etc.. Perhaps I should mention that I went through Books In Print, with no success. No hits worth mentioning had"writing masters", and none of the 248 hits on "calligraphy" sounded close. Neil - -- // Cornelius Perkins cperkins@nothinbut.net // http://www.nothinbut.net/~cperkins // In girum imus nocte et consumimur igni ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:45:53 -0600 From: Cornelius Perkins Subject: Re: [scribes]: Title of lost book Elyse Boucher wrote: > Perhaps you are looking for _Penmanship of the XVI, XVII, XVIII > Centuries_, by Lewis Day, published by Taplinger. :) > > A few pages of intoductory text and then about 100 plates of > calligraphy. :) > > And it's color is a pale, flesh-like tone. ;) At least, my copy is. :) That sounds very correct, even to the color of the book. I'll check for that. Thanks, M/E. :) Jost - -- // Cornelius Perkins cperkins@nothinbut.net // http://www.nothinbut.net/~cperkins // In girum imus nocte et consumimur igni ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V1 #3 ***************************